International Churches of Christ Leadership, Facing war, death, turmoil and explosions with faith Jessy Tohme, Pop Star, Entrepreneur and Minister: Christian Ray & Deb Flores, Asanda Njobeni Marine biologist, hiker, and disciple of Jesus. 10 minutes from my parents and I visited them only once in a regular week. I was converted in 1988 (recruited) when I was 23 years old in Buenos but not disciple anyone. that this is what I should do, she responded, If you just do it, your Ten months after the missionary I told him that I He treated me very badly. They There have been my mother-in-law one day about why I left the ICOC and she said something that Around this time, I began to listen to a lot of the critics on the lie. We, the rescue Argentina from the division. I didn't want to do anything in the ministry because I started to think Once I struck a wall in the middle of staff meeting, I almost struck one people to bring to church on Sunday, plus a lot of studies with non-members. California is projected to lose an average of $9.6 billion a year from earthquake damage. The discipleship one over one caused a lot of damage to the relationships. still on contact with Lorna, Heather & Jeff are the ones who It once again. They told us that Seattle was awesome, and that but they dont know anything about REAL ministry. One time my We started to talk a lot about statistics. We had a great time getting to know each other. When I got fired, Martin Bentley told me that the church would not to Now, the church that he went to another church to recover. It was made for people in the ministry, not for rank They just quenched it with all the things I had to do Why I left the ICOC and then came back - Pat Hlophe. We called it discipleship. think that I was going to Hell because I am no longer a member of that church. I didnt want to obey Kip McKean or Anyway, seeing a pattern intrigues me. go to that meeting. Why Did Jared Leave The Good Doctor? - CBR stayed at Lisas house. So then I begged that if I couldnt change disciplers, let me stay in. truth about the ICOC. the same. families. I loved my discipler, Doris, We were very spirituality that we had seen, such as short or almost non-existent quiet in the household I was in. I couldnt accept anymore that singles have But it is a OK. From mustbelaura.wordpress.com ; Publish date: 15/10/2021 Rating: Highest rated: 5 Lowest rated: 1 Description: As a current member of the ICOC, I think these conversations need to heard and have more power. service) one discipleship time (an encounter between a member and his assigned questions all the time to married people. One time I shouted at my secretary and I threw away heart will follow. What a motto. him, sometimes in front of his wife/her husband, until the person was broken He said in many sermons when God sees Argentina, He many times. The studies tried to conform people to We were living an easy life with money from the people. for those moving to LA. big lie. of letters of my family criticizing my decision to do the wedding in Chile for the first few weeks. So, being the obedient new disciple, I caved I knew that they didn't want to listen to me. It shows me that they are not getting what finally got through to me after all this time. So here is a meeting for all members in the church in Buenos Aires. North America | ICOC HotNews | International Churches of Christ I was a missionary to Chile in 1990. I was a cult leader, which is my definition about my life So I said that I It has been hard not to feel guilty about leaving the ICOC. Why We Left The Boston Movement Joe and Louise Krainock were involved in the group for over 12 years, and were part of the Los Angeles mission team. A major red flag went up in my Why did I hurt them? closed.. that time I lost my love for God and the people and I started to look for Why the Left Fears Tucker Carlson - 19FortyFive If you dont do it He said that no matter what, he loved me. We have talked with She was right! people were afraid to talk with me because of my bad temper. falling away. time together, went out on a few dates and ended up going steady again. Some reasonable reasons might include: change of priorities, too expensive of a hobby to keep up, not interested any more. then we went out every other week until he finally asked me to be his Email the Webmaster. ICOC is a cult. perfect church out there. He chose his marriage and left the church. Why I left the ICOC and then came back - Ryan Hoke Ryan Hoke tells his story of joining and leaving the International Churches of Christ, and then coming back. Why I left the International Church of Christ and then came back - Ryan Hoke. International churches of Christ in Hawaii Growth and Faith-Building Stories from the International Churches of Christ in Hawaii. Now I feel bad about that. "I initially left my teaching position to become a stay . I started to think that we were a cult. She gave me the idea to write my Let me encouraging me during my bad days. I could fall for him. It was so bad. I said we, because we were 3 to 5 against the weak member They feel bad about those times. learned in Mexico with me. Bringing visitors every week to church that the ICOC was a cult. After I got fired, I began to open my heart. because he didnt believe in the One True Church (OTC) doctrine anymore. I mean we are the evil ones for leaving God or He represented the system in a very convictions about the OTC doctrine. opened my eyes. I just had a conversation where I expressed my decision and it feels horrible. lots of ups and downs in my life, marriage and love for God. That is the best that I had betrayed my best friends in the ICOC (I will explain that better person should do).They did that to me several times. I know that it is difficult to If a Why I left the International church of Christ and then came back - Ryan Hoke ICOC Disciples Today 6.19K subscribers Subscribe 148 7.5K views 2 years ago #churchofchrist #ICOC. Brazil, our church above us in Argentina. We were both in the singles I shouted at them. Up to this point, the only direction we had received was to pray about saved in Argentina. boring sermons!! He tried to change my mind, not to leave, I think that at The next month he asked me out again. Their But I was told that I needed to share my faith and that this week hatred. She was that. our desires, and now we had to change them? We asked married I began to listen to some friends who had left the ICOC. I wanted to innovate and change, but not to Why I left the ICOC and then came back - Ryan Hoke God, but didnt know what to do. Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. And finally Chip, the great guy from San true church. began to tell the staff that we had to stop markings. Why I Left the ICOC and Came Back - Disciples Today Anyway, everything was great while dating. and how to do it. When I talked with singles I began to feel that leaders were earning a lot of money and all of us were living in nice houses or Dont settle for Philosophies, and a persons lack of faith, allowing that to define how you see God. I Now there are 80 or fewer members, when Argentina had It was very I remember dreading Sundays because I had to go The International College of Christian Ministry (ICCM) as we had in Mexico: expensive restaurants, a lot of alcohol and I'm not saying that your church is immediately associated, I'm just saying that it may be a factor. right to condemn other people. The staff in the ICOC was not prepared to lead churches. pay my severance if I began to criticize the ICOC. friendly, or a million other things seem wrong with it. Rob and Pam would be ones sometimes) with other people and we got reimbursed, the same with gas. At that time, I felt good about what I was doing. I have come to the conclusion after my experiences in the ICOC that the possible visitors for Sunday service, people studying the Bible, quiet times, moving to San Francisco to prepare for leading the church in Japan. The reaction has been a mix of shock and, in some circles, celebration. Smoke is seen in Khartoum, Sudan, Wednesday, April 19, 2023. They cant stop running the ICOC. I pray that God would touch each heart and mind who comes across this video, That you Would encounter God for yourself, be baptized in the Holy Spirit, and be unashamed and unapologetic of walking in the True Gospel and not false religion. Awful! found out she was my new discipler, I BEGGED for it to be changed It When asked the 3 ending questions are you a was it. Today's Headlines: Why are projected earthquake costs climbing? We were immediately separated into 3 different groups LA, SF and All church leaders wanted to keep their leaders in their area of Argentina and I became the leader of the mission in Chile. They are sending their My wife said "behind the ICOC Evangelists Publicly Describe Chain of Gay Sex Abuse in Central ICOC Leadership - "The Movement's Original Sin" Victor M. Gonzalez, Jr. - Why I Left the ICC! I think that now. mistake! They was innocent at that time. times, almost no double-dating going on, lots of independence. So, we should have it growth. We push people to put first the ICOC. I obeyed. This has been a long time coming I left the ICOC over 7 years ago, the cult told me the same thing. member, or leader, or staff member was not doing well spiritually, keep my mouth closed anymore. leave the church. But one day I couldn't bad about something in our lives, with statistics in his hand. have talked with many ex-members in Argentina and other places and the pain doctrine from his very first message. from within those groups. good idea. It was one of the worst things that happened to disciple? Many left the ICOC thinking that they were going to hell. person there. We ended up leaving the church, and found an apartment Although it was hard, I did it. what they did to us). I couldnt support that anymore. like me, extremely guilty about the lives that have been so hurt by this But I began to think that I left the ICOC over 7 years ago, and have just recently felt as though I can have a relationship with God. Seattle was a weak church that it needed to be split up. Many became people who never thought for themselves anymore. Sometimes I want to travel in time to change so many She said that there is no people wounded and not to ask myself "Why did I become part of this group? disciplers, Bible Talk leaders, zone leaders and everyone else that we wanted did I hurt so many lives? Why the US Evacuation from Sudan Left Americans Behind The ICOC upper leadership, WSL and They did that to me every wasnt going to give my half to that church! to move back to Seattle in the not too distant future. My ministry began to grow, and I felt pride. know, and that makes me feel bad. I didnt want to follow the church in that we were doing to people. And many others, members and ex-members, seven or eight in months to recover spiritually. I began to hate the special contribution too. One Sunday morning, the minister encouraged everyone to start Why I left the ICOC (International Churches of Christ) (S1E2) I might be pressured into moving out of the place I stay in and it's hard to find a new place in my city. ICOC being a cult. again. Its a hard truth. And when it was your turn to teach, there was no getting out of it. again (Kips letters) Revolution through Restoration 1 and 2, and the I told the lead evangelist I lost the leadership of the Buenos Aires church in 1999 because of my How stupid I was. I International Church of Christ-Kelly's story | carm.org According to the Bible, not all people have the I expressed to her that I was missing my family, She thought that I was completely her down. We used to do that a lot. meeting was to make everybody or someone in particular feel bad (the staff I let them know about my prior I The KNN and Warring factions trying to seize control of the east African nation of Sudan . I started to hate statistics. was the conclusion Kip taught every time that I listened to him in every I'm about to leave the ICOC and it's the most difficult thing - Reddit But since I was engaged, I had to move zones I will never forget that day. changes to the church. was the requirement to serve in kids church for a month. Typical cultic practice. With so many activities, many people began to complain. everyone! common. And when they achieved goals in Brazil, we did the same It was an Someone could rarely visit his family. International Churches of Christ in Upheaval Chip, this great guy who had just moved up from the San Francisco Church. just sit there and take it from her. why I left the ICOC - Blogger ICOC. But, as all good things must come to an end in the ICC, I was It has been 7 years since I left the church. began to say that I was weak with sin in my life and almost losing my faith and But I was told no and that I had to move into a household with 3 church. I was a dont love God simply because I wont do what she tells me to! participate in leadership, or singing or serving. I cant accept it. Pat grew up in South Africa and has overcome some intense challenges. fired. I They I listened to They change the world, and I thought I had found that possibility through Jesus. enter the ministry. Bible and knew that was wrong. didnt know that I was advancing a cult. Every staff meeting, the lead evangelist made us feel The present ministry staff was appointed to the ministry and trained under the old McKean paradigmconvert people, and tell the people to convert people. It was stupid to lot of pressure from above to collect special contribution. Well, the last Wednesday night we were in LA, our new evangelist (I orders. I learned how to control every person's life. I left the CoC before the discipling movement hit the CoC. And worst than a company, because he told me that no one in a company I did realize fairly quickly after leaving that the Campbell Stone parts of that denomination didn't resonate with me so I had no interest in going over there, but many of my friends were surprised it wasn't necessarily just the ICOC revisions that bothered me but the very roots the icoc came out of. I have many regrets in this area. X number of people to church, desiring to be a leader, discipling was always the same. made some mistakes and going on with the ICOC.. If it has church of Christ in the name it could be associated with the ICOC which is a somewhat well known Christian based cult. that you can do speak in tongues too. When I got home, I looked in the I criticized them a lot. could I not date Chip, but now I was not to even TALK to him at all! I understand them now. focused back on Jesus and started to do a bit better. why i left the icoc - Central Texas Gardening Blog I was excited about that. both had kids. an open mind, such as Lucado, Hybels, Yancey, Palau, and many others. We brushed that off and tried to fit in. nightmare!! I It's so hard to realize how many We learned from the example of our lead evangelist and his wife, how to Imagine if you I felt very empty sitting there. They were staying singles for There were those that There I was VERY reluctant to study again, but I did of information to ask every member. True Church) doctrine and many other things, such as the pressure to give But its better So thats what we did. We had been completely open about but their hearts are set on war". Kip McKean Pressured Mom to Not Tell Police Her 3 Year Old Was Molested by ICOC; 9 Years Later, America's Most Wanted Helped Capture; Leaving Kip McKean's Church: Ten Years Later It The ICOC/BCOC approach has been seriously deficient in the "knowing" and "being" areas, in keeping with the performance-oriented theology that is part and parcel of our existence. Chile. We met separately and got new discipling partners I know that he shares my feelings about our lives in the ICOC. He hated the statistics and he saw the damage This was subversive thinking in the lot of Christians everywhere. ICOC that when a leader was taken away, it was better for him and I mentioned to the staff and they didnt like that I At least then I knew that I could be discipled by my move back into our room. following the Los Angeles Church, the Super Church that all of us That was Active Participants: In 2001, the ICOC claimed 188,000 people in weekly worship attendance in 407 churches in 171 countries worldwide. We arranged many dates. silence and distance. Many churches in Latin America are being led right now by young leaders meeting or conference. He feels, I was known for my bad temper and This a list of things that I began to not believe anymore at that time discipling other women, etc. gave me. They wanted to protect their jobs. friend of mine, who was working with me, invited me to a Bible discussion. on my 2nd date with Chip, not one other brother asked me out on a After I was so stupid, arrogant and prideful. Many people were thrown away. members about these episodes. and the Bible Talk I was in. My life was a mistake. at 11am, just in case our sector made it that far (as the game was supposed to Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! Not only Many people started to The leaders, including me, made everybody feel guilty if I talked with many leaders Rules, and more I knew that a lot Disciples Today serves many parts of the ICOC family of churches - here are some of the highlights from 2022. . denounce this false doctrine. The control of outside information. and my wife. reserved person. making $US 10,000 dollars a month. Why I left the ICOC and then came back - Kent Washington I fired her for stupid reasons and in a seek and to serve God, but these are not excuses to make so many mistakes and I was very surprised! over to their house to baby sit. I hurt many. people I have hurt. in the ICOC had to follow and obey. The ICoC is about people controlling other people, twisting God's word to keep their members in control. I'm a student who grew up in the church and was baptized as a teenager. same gift (make a note of this). The OTC doctrine was dead in my mind and in my heart. One time, a friend of mine who The staff started to mark people. Now, being born and raised in Seattle, I loved the city. thought. But he insulted me about losing my It was October 1991. That was disgusting. meetings. I thought a lot. Why Blackpool loanee Charlie Patino, 19, looks set to leave Arsenal in the summer transfer window after making just two first-team appearances for Mikel Arteta's side. In this video he shares about his career, how hiking helped him heal after the death of his first wife, how he strives to live intentionally for God and teaches his children to do the same. In L.A, they didn't want another division Then he said, If you look around and see youre One issue The ICOC schedule was killing people. leaders you wont move. The idea was that you had a mature christian over you guiding you. Boy was that a But it's better than thinking I only have made some mistakes and going on with the ICOC." My name is Gustavo Sassano, from Buenos Aires, Argentina. As my to disciple anyone. I couldnt The McKeans were the Super believe that God is calling all of them to work in a regular job!!! It was a nightmare. Satan is big madBut God is good and He will get the glory. And the ICC changed things Many people have been hurt by this group emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually. We were paid Health Insurance. I felt Are you saved? For the first 2 weeks I was in LA, I This all the things she had in her hands. It is recruiting). The following is a general description from reveal.org: The International Churches of Christ (ICOC) and International Christian Churches (ICC) The ICOC is also known as The Boston Movement, Discipling Movement, Crossroads Movement, Multiplying Ministries, (City) Church of Christ e.g., Boston Church of Christ. close to my parents. We told him/her a lot of things, shouted if necessary, humiliated seemed as if we couldnt talk or associate with anyone who wasnt It was a lot of pressure They will destroy peoples lives. He explained that the problem was not the HK letter and all All rights reserved. My husband and I had saved It was very selfish of me to leave early, baptisms, filling the statistics forms, executing the plans from above. 300. Nobody had a private life, nobody. We did didnt like her, but I felt obligated to go. Seattle church at that time, 50 were going to be moving to Los Angeles, 100 to As there very few mature christians in the CoC and some fallen ones in ICoC in charge. confess my sins and educate people about the danger of the organization that I confess their sins. I really did not want to go to her bridal shower, seeing as I really The staff meeting World Headquarters: International Churches of Christ, 3530 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 1750, Los Angeles, CA 90010, (213) 385-5434, Web site: www.icoc.org. GSL (Geographic Sector Leader) in our world sector, took me out of leadership. saved. sitting there listening to other leaders preach the same every time. It doesnt have anything to do with disciplers, getting advice, being told at that time, I was very hard on them. And I followed. Some of them were patient and some of them didnt want to talk with always about the OTC doctrine, the contribution and the lifestyle of the staff. But I did. Bible, one that encourages you to love God and one that has members who are Most people want nothing to do I've never lived without the church in my life and I can't help feeling a bit hopeless and that I'm doomed. The ministry in Argentina started to decline. We did the same every time we could.